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*Steering: partial copper tubing and the end flexible hose? | *Steering: partial copper tubing and the end flexible hose? | ||
| + | **asked (09-11 SH) | ||
*Waste water and fresh water pumps from WAECO, but the biggest pump is 17litres/min, is it ok like this? | *Waste water and fresh water pumps from WAECO, but the biggest pump is 17litres/min, is it ok like this? | ||
| − | *Do we use hydrofor? Volume, producer, supplier? | + | **waste water: I suggest to ignore the Waeco suggestion and to use instead the the Cuno 50890-1000 (SH) |
| + | **fresh water: on discussion | ||
| + | *Do we use hydrofor? Volume, producer, supplier? | ||
| + | **asked (09-11 SH) | ||
*Only manual bilge pump conform SP-40 Instructions, supplier, model? | *Only manual bilge pump conform SP-40 Instructions, supplier, model? | ||
| + | **Cuno 50880-1000, switch I will ask (SH) | ||
*Cap for engine coolant outlet to sanitary water, where to position it? | *Cap for engine coolant outlet to sanitary water, where to position it? | ||
Revision as of 16:49, 9 November 2012
Contents
General
- salesprice 215.000 € ex VAT
- to compete with:
- Jetten 37 AC
- Aventura 38 AC
- initial client - boat rental Schulz, renting a lot to group of man (biliart clubs, etc.)
Questions
- Steering: partial copper tubing and the end flexible hose?
- asked (09-11 SH)
- Waste water and fresh water pumps from WAECO, but the biggest pump is 17litres/min, is it ok like this?
- waste water: I suggest to ignore the Waeco suggestion and to use instead the the Cuno 50890-1000 (SH)
- fresh water: on discussion
- Do we use hydrofor? Volume, producer, supplier?
- asked (09-11 SH)
- Only manual bilge pump conform SP-40 Instructions, supplier, model?
- Cuno 50880-1000, switch I will ask (SH)
- Cap for engine coolant outlet to sanitary water, where to position it?
Classification
- CE-C
Yard budget
- estimated (mail 01-Jun-12):
- steel 700
- wood 750
- paint 750
- systems 350
- sandblasting 100
- outfitting and delivery 150
Drawing list
- Note:
- Below list is not complete
- Drawings can be combined if suitable
- CE?
10 Design and styling
- 10-100 general arrangement
- 10-910 general data
- net weight construction
- net weight interior
- total weight
- COG
- 3D presentation models?
- renderings?
- 20-100 linesplan
- 20-300 centralizer
30 Propulsion
40 Construction
- 40-100 longitudinal construction plan
- tank arrangement
- propulsion arrangement
- rudder arrangement
- 40-110 transverse construction plan (SC)
- 40-130 shell penetrations
- 40-200 expansions hull (SC)
- 40-210 expansions superstructure (SC)
- 40-220 bending and forming
- 40-300 build moulds
- 40-400 plate nests steel
- 40-410 plate nests stainless steel
- 40-910 material estimation steel
- 40-920 key data
- net weight
- brut weight
- loss %
- COG
- cutting length
50 Outfitting
- 50-110 deck plan
- 50-111 fender details?
- 50-120 portholes and hatches
- 50-121 windows
- 50-122 entrance door and sliding hatch
- 50-123 windscreen
- 50-150 ventilation
- 50-160 stainless steel (incl. material estimation or on separate document?)
- 50-170 steering arrangement
- 50-180 windlass arrangement
- 50-190 mast
- 50-200 bench aftdeck
- 50-210 sprayhood and bimini
- 50-220 steering console?
60 Systems
- 60-100 systems????
- 60-110 diagrams
70 Interior
- 70-100 set up interior
- 70-105 general detail plan
- 70-110 sole plan
- 70-120 lining plan
- 70-121 base wood plan
- 70-130 ceiling plan
- 70-140 lighting plan
- 70-150 profile list
- 70-160 cabin doors
- 70-161 salon table
- 70-162 cabin stairs
- 70-163 cooling box
- 70-170 upholstery
- 70-800 nests
- 70-810 furniture expansions
- 70-820 furniture assemblies
- 70-910 key data
- net weight
- brut weight
- loss %
- COG
- cutting length
- 70-920 material estimation plywood
- 70-930 hardware list
- 70-940 hardware catalogue
- 70-950 assembly names
10 Design
- sales strategy is to offer as much berths as possible for the lowest price so the boat will be very interesting for the rental market
- only developable surfaces:
- no forming plates
- no bending plates
- only 'radiused' plates
- simple and cheap - the less components the cheaper to build
- furniture to be split in units which can be prefabricated outside the boat (and outside the premises)
- sidedeck steps - not IN bathrooms but well before them (possible use for breathers)
- transom stairs
- width 500-550 (older people)
- last step ending under 45 degrees with CL
- transom gas locker PS - for 2x 5kg gas bottle
- swimplatform
- length minimum 800mm
- swimplatform - lower part at least 200mm above DWL (to avoid slamming waves against swimplatform
- transom corners - well rounded
- transom cheeks with knuckles?
- sidedecks - 450mm wide
- superstructure - max width 3100-3150
- bench aftdeck - initially steel, later GRP?
- railing cloths - steel (Schulz)
- rope fender around hull
- rubber fender around swimplatform
- steering
- wheel Ø800
- wheel nearly horizontal
50 outfitting
- windows
- sliding window in salon side
- supplier - Rhigo (mail 03-11-2012)
- portholes
- supplier - Gebo
- PS and SB can be non symmetrical
- hull - glue plexiglass/lexan?
- hull - combine with ER air intake?
- deck hatches
- supplier - Gebo
- make sure you can reach the hatch for closing/opening
- entrance hatch - GRP Centerboard standard
- doors
- transom door - Gebo hatch 900x600
- gas locker
- door Belship
- ventilation
- very important and permanent
- all spaces
- aftdeck
- fridge
- sink + tap
- helmsman seat - Swingback Seat with Stainless Steel Arms Todd USA (fridge integrated?) (mail 16-10-2012)
70 interior
- aftcabin
- bed under 45 degrees against transom
- option for double cabin layout (can be non symmetric)
- double bed convertible into 2 single beds (sliding/hinging system, seen on Greenline 33)
transom rounding
- well rounded to avoid damage during leaving quai side
- keep step of 150mm next to stairs so you can step on the quai side
- hull transom can stop before rounding (shortening hull)
tanks
- capacity (Ontwerp instructies SP-N40):
- 500l FW (because of 2 showers)
- 300l fuel
- 500l WW (for example in keel, to not create heel/trim)
- tank status to not influence trim/heel
- WW tank above FW tank, transverse in front of forward ER bhd?
- diesel immediatley aft of forward ER bhd?
- all custom made PP tanks
- fuel - if only 1 tank forward of engine than steel tank against bhd, not attached to shell, condens sump with baffle plate above and tap
keel
- as Levanto - forward part 1 single plate, aftward double plate
30 Propulsion
- engine - IVECO N45 MNA M10.2 74 KW 100PK (mail 15-10-12)
- gearbox - Technodrive TM93 (mail 15-10-12)
- coupling/thrusterbearing - Aquadrive (Ontwerp instructies SP-N40)
- shaft Ø40 ITAL cone 1:10
- propellor - 'standard'
- nozzle - canceled (by phone 5-11-2012) alternative prop protection with 2 horizontal fins welded to the keel/skeg, length is half prop Ø
- bow and stern thruster - Sidepower 100kgm 12V in tube Ø185 (confirmed 6-11-12 by mail)
- suggestion Schulz: Craftsman CM4.80 - price for 5 pcs €7700
- Schulz: Deutz 1013M engines are very reliable
- Schulz: replacing 10 propellors per year, sometimes including shaft, because of under water rocks/stones
- rudder
- plastic 50mm
- sheet size 2000x1000 - consider when designing rudder (width <=500 for example)
40 Construction
- as cheap as possible (simple, light)
- yard budget 600 manhours
- side stiffening - longitudinal FB CNC
- transverse bottom stiffening - CNC frames ending against T-stringers
- roof beams - CNC (profile is hard to make them all exact the same)
- sole on LG rectangular tubes 60x40x3(as Aventura 43), used for cables too (thrusters, windlass)
- salon will be 'removable' in order to bring in the prefabbed interior parts, coupling detail as CC40, see notes inbox\'Ontwerp instructies SP-N40.doc'
- sandblasting - make sure all spaces are accessible for sand blasting
- moulds - boat is build upside down (including lower part of superstructure), deliver moulds with first boat
- fender base - rect. tube 120x80x4
- rudder cylinder foundation - consider VDO rudder sensor
- incorporate:
- ears/lips for interior positioning
- ears/rings/holes for piping
- system foundations
- steering position
- instruments removed from IVECO panel
- Trespa panel (ga ik gebruiken want ik heb hier nogal wat liggen.)
- window wiper panel
- FO gauge
- FW gauge
- WW gauge
- Tridata of Bidata
- rudder angle indicator
- Side-Power panel
- panel with 6 rocker switches for:
- horn
- de activate buzzer
- instrument lighting + navigation lights
- anchor light
- bilgepump
- bench lighting aftdeck (optional)
- engine control (side mounted)
- may be - radio control
Paneel ook zo opbouwen met lange lasbochten (5S?) en achter een 10mm RVS rond. In het frame plaat met gat –randen 30 mm- waarbij Trespa plaat bovenzijde op hart buis ligt.
50 Outfitting
steering
- Levanto 38 has comparable displacement and steers well so we will try to use the same system BUT we have to use components of CUNO if possible:
- arm yard made
- cylinder Ultraflex UC215-I (111kgm)
- pump Ultraflex UP39
- wheel Ø575 (conform dwg)
fenders
- lower fender of rubber around swimplatform (well rounded corners) - starting at aft ER bulkhead, modified Aventura 43 profile, shore 90 (ask for new drawing)
- upper rope fender around hull and transom cheeks (renters succeed to damage even this part of the boat with manouvring)
windlass arrangement
- manual Cuno - Lofrans Royal?
- chainpipe 76x2mm RVS 304 through bow
- anchor - 35kg st.st. polished - TBS?
- no LED
- boardlights
- anchorlight
- steamlight
- sternlight
stainless steel
- 4x double bollards
- 2x single bollard on swimplatform (smaller model)
- flagpole support at bow and transom
- anchor protection plate at bow
- fender fairings
- handrail rooftop
- handrail transom (horizontal)
- railing 650mm high, single tube (verify height and number of tubes with CE)
- mast (folding)
- swimladder
- boarding ladder side with 2/3 steps (see pictures)
aftdeck
- sink
- cooling box in helm seat
hatches and portlights
- make Gebo
- portlights fixed in cabins
- portlights opening in bathrooms
- deck hatches 500x500
- transom hatch 900x600
sliding hatch
- GRP
- recessed
- dimensions as 476
windscreen
- see remarks 'Ontwerp instructies SP-N40'
- window wiper 3x
60 Systems
general
- pumps - Waeco (cheap and reliable conform Schulz)
bilge
- electric pump, manual operated
- alarm
exhaust
- one side
- st.st. tube Ø100mm above DWL (check with CE) directing aft
- waterlock Ø100mm Cuno (as Aventura 43)
cooling ME
- short stand-pipe of about 50mm (so pipe interior can be painted with brush)
heating
- Webasto - about 10 kW waterheater
- cabins - radiators
- wet cabins - towel radiator
ventilation
- wet cabins - mushroom Vetus
- Vetus Typhoon in bench aftdeck for permanent ventilation (Ontwerp instructies SP-N40)
- Vetus Tom as on 483 (Ontwerp instructies SP-N40)
ventilation ER
- ER - as Aventura 43 (Ontwerp instructies SP-N40)
- NO blower (mail 7-11-2012)
- grill as Aventura 43 (mail 7-11-2012)
fresh water
- boiler 40 lt Cuno 230V + engine connected (as Aventura 43)
- sink on aftdeck
waste water
- issue - when tank is full the shit exits via breather or makes a pipe burst which drains the shit into the boat - how to avoid?
- SH: when tanks is full the indicator should give a signal which stops the operation of the toilet flush button, together with an indicator (blinking light) on the flush panel
- material - plastic
- tank emptying - pump (no Ventury pipe under water)
- tank connections - toilets only
- 1x grey waste tank 16 lt Whale (in foreship, from aftship will come via pipe into this box) with the following connections:
- showers
- wash basins
- grey waste tank will drain directly overboard
- galley drains directly overboard
- no smell filter Belship (Whale) as 483
- toilets
- piping - PVC-C by Georg Fischer (full CAD library available on website)
electrical
- panels 12V / 24V / 230V as Aventura 43
- second alternator on engine 12V / 150A
- NO optional generator (mail 01-11-2012)
- engine - comes with a relay box which must be mounted nearby
batteries
- 2x foreship for thruster
- 2x aftship for thruster
- Raymarine Bi-data
- navigation lights - no LED
ligthing
- LED in salon, other spaces normal lamps (but interchangable with LED (Ontwerp instructies SP-N40)
- switch - wall mounted (mail 02-Oct-12)
70 Interior
- styling by Steffen Schulz
- material - HPL (mail 03-10-2012, includes price offer)
- material - sole salon Baryfloor 6-6-6 (20kg/m2)
- material - HPL tops in wet cabins and galley
- make several color proposals (renderings) based upon HPL (incl. non-wood)
- hinges and closing devices as 483
wet cabins
- HPL, not spraypainted
- sole - cheaper Corian alternative
- prefab unit, including systems?
- salon - large flatscreen TV on lift
- sole - HPL teak and holly
appliances
- NO hood above stofe
- toilet - SeaLand MasterFlush Electric by Waeco
- wash basins - Alape glassed steel
- TV lift - 230V see purchase list ?!? (Ontwerp instructies SP-N40)
- optional
- microwave (under sidedeck?)
80 Paint and insulation
- insulation
- hull - spray PU
- decks / superstructure - Kingspan Thermaroof TR26
