14044 Luxe motor 38

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Questions[edit]

Examples[edit]

General[edit]

  • Main dimensions:
    • LOA 38.50m
    • Dmax 1.40m
    • Air draft 3.35m (or 3.60m?)
    • BOA 4.95m
  • Range - maximum 10 days
  • Area (PC Navigo)
    • French channels
    • River Rhine
    • German channels
  • Season:
    • At French Channels is May-October
    • Off season boats will sail to homeport Leeuwarden where they will be overhauled and used for daytrips/parties for groups of max 30 persons
  • Booking agency Cumberly & Kent
  • Misc:
    • State of the art technique
    • 5 star ship
    • Owner has shipping company with advanced ships where everything is operated electrical.
    • Walls between cabins and between cabins and public spaces will have optimum insulation to reduce sound transfer to the max.
    • ER as small as possible

Rules & Regulations[edit]

Propulsion[edit]

  • Diesel electric propulsion – SRF recently did a boat of LOA 25m / 25 kW which reached 7 km/h min. Potential electric engine supplier is Boumuller (Hybrid Ship Propulsion)
  • Roof covered with solar panels
  • Possibility of hydro propulsion as secondary
    • neccesary power for minimum speed of 7km/h (?? why 7??)
  • Vessel shall sail in small channels electrical at low power without generator. Battery capacity to be calculated and applied for 1 day of sail.
  • For additional power and where possible to replace combustion engines a large area of solar panels will be installed.
  • Furthermore a shore connection for power supply and battery charge. An electric bow thruster in a tunnel in the foreship.
  • Vessel will have 2 remote controlled ‘spudpalen’, 1 PS in foreship and 1 SB in aftship.
  • Propulsion by means of electric propelled ‘rudder-propellor’. Electric power supply of rudder-propellor will have an automatic switch for batteries or generator.
  • Power of rudder-propellor will be between 1-150 kW with frequence control. At full power the generator will provide the power.
  • Two generators:
    • 180 KW full power sailing and board system
    • 50 KW low speed and board system
    • Generators to be in sound insulated boxes (whisper generators).
    • Generators to meet current, known and expected requirements regarding emission for European inland waterways.


50 Outfitting[edit]


60 Systems[edit]

Anchoring[edit]

  • 2 pillars instead of anchors
  • SRF – cofferdam with all tanks between ER and cabins, 2 frame distances of 450mm

Gray water[edit]

  • Grey water can be drained overboard

Black water[edit]

  • Black water must be stored

HVAC[edit]

  • Heating, cooling and insulation will be calculated and executed in such a way that with outside temperatures of -20°C the interior can be kept at +23°C and with an outside temperature of +38°C the inside temperature can be kept at 18°C.
  • The goal is to design the vessel in such a way that with minimum energy consume the guests and crew can be transported in great comfort.

Accomodation[edit]

General[edit]

  • Guest and crew accommodation to meet all applicable, known and expected regulations for commercial transport on European inland waterways.
  • Whirlpool on foreship

Crew[edit]

  • Crew number - 5
    • Skipper / Captain with partner
    • Cook 1x
    • Hostess 2x
    • 1 double cabin for skipper w partner
    • 4 single cabins for cook and hostess
    • spare cabin available when skipper is without partner

Guests[edit]

  • Passenger number - 10
  • Cabins:
    • Windows and portholes with optimum sun and light screens
    • Great attention to be paid to maximum day light entry and view
    • Local adjustable heating of sufficient capacity
    • Good adjustable fresh air supply
    • light and belvedere
    • 5 identical double cabin

Wheelhouse[edit]

  • Wheelhouse to have a seating area for guests
  • Wheelhouse to have visibility to stern

Exterior[edit]

  • Fore and aftdeck suitable for guests so they can spread over the boat and find some privacy.

Layout[edit]

  • Idea is to have in foreship the crew accommodation, then 5 guest cabins, then engine room. Main deck: wheelhouse, galley, salon, aftdeck.
  • Guests are usually elder so keep rollators in mind but boat does not need to be wheelchair accessible
  • Keep boarding and stairs comfortable
  • Classic look with original details

Toilets[edit]

  • Bathroom to be spacious and a shower with all modern comfort.
  • Separate toilet with bowl of standard hotel size (no ship type bowl)


Rules[edit]

  • ‘kanalen kopschroef’ suitable for back up propulsion, requires full ER, minimum speed. Question is if back up is about propulsion or propulsion line, in latter case an electric engine with hollow shaft might work out.

RORS[edit]

Kapitel 15[edit]

  • 15.01 General provisions
    • 1 - The following provisions shall not apply
      • 3.02 No 1 letter b
      • 1.4 to 3.4
      • 8.08 No 2 sentence 2 and No 7
      • 14.9 No 3 sentence 2 with nominal voltages above 50V.
    • 2 - Provisions regarding liquefied gas (not interesting)
    • 3 - Vessels without means of self propulsion are not allowed to carry passengers
    • 4 - On passenger vessels, areas for use by persons with reduced mobility shall be provided, which satisfy the requirements referred to in this chapter. If the provisions referred to in this chapter, which take into account the specific safety needs of persons with reduced mobility, are difficult in practice or involve unreasonably high costs, the inspection body may allow derogations from these provisions subject to recommendations by the Central Commission for Navigation on the Rhine. These derogations must be entered in the Community certificate.
  • 15.02 Hull
    • 1 - The thickness of the outside shell shall be determined according 2.09
      • a - gives the min thickness formula
      • b - the minimum thickness according point a can be reduced if it can be demonstrated by calculation a sufficient longitudinal, lateral and local strength
      • c - absolute min thickness is 3mm no matter the results from point a and b
    • 2 - The position and number of bulkheads will be determined in accordance with § 15.03 No 7 to 13. Each part of the structure that affects the integrity of the subdivisions should be watertight and should be designed to maintain the integrity of the subdivision
    • 3 - The distance between the collision bulkhead and the forward perpendicular shall not be less than 0.04 x LWL and not exceed LWL x 0.04 + 2 m
    • 4 - A transverse bulkhead may be fitted with a bulkhead recess, if all parts of this offset lie within the safe area.
    • 5 - The bulkheads, which were taken into account in the damaged stability calculation according to § 15.3 no. 7-13 must be watertight and be installed up to the bulkhead deck.
    • 6 - The number of openings in these bulkheads shall be kept as low as is compatible with the design and proper working of the ship. Openings and penetrations shall not adversely affect the watertight function of the bulkheads.
    • 7 - Collision bulkheads shall have no openings and no doors.
    • 8 - Bulkheads between engineroom and crew or passenger accomodation shall have no doors.
    • 9 - Manually operated watertight doors without remote control are permitted in passenger areas only if:
      • - they remain closed and may be opened only temporarily to allow access;
      • - they can be closed by suitable devices quickly and safely;
      • - they are provided on both sides of the doors with the following inscription: "Close door immediately after passing ".
    • 10 - Doors in bulkheads referred to in section 5 that are open for long periods shall meet the following requirements:
      • - They shall be closed from both sides of the bulkhead and from an easily accessible position above the bulkhead deck.
      • - After remotely closing the doors, they must reopen and close safely. The Closure shall not be impeded by carpeting or foot rails.
      • - The duration of the remote-controlled closure process shall be at least 30 seconds but not more than 60 seconds.
      • - During the closure procedure an audible alarm must automatically be given at the door.
      • - It must be ensured that door drive and alarm shall also function independently from the wheelhouse. A closed/opened indicator should be provided at the remote control location.(not sure of the translation of the last part)
    • 11 ....
    • 12 - In the wheelhouse, a warning system shall be provided to indicate which door is open in bulkheads referred to in paragraph 5.
    • 13 - Pipelines with open mouths and ventilation ducts shall be so laid that in any conceivable flooding over adjacent spaces or tanks:(Chinese.... i'll come on this one later...maybe in a year or so..)
    • 14 - Something regarding remote control of watertight doors
    • 15 - Double bottom N/A
    • 16 - Windows may be situated below the margin line if they are watertight, can not be opened, possess sufficient strength and meet the requirements of § 15.06 No.14.
  • 15.03 Stability
    • 1 - The stability calculations shall be done considering the vessel is free of trim. The empty vessel's stability characteristics shall be verified by an inclining test.
    • 2 - The intact stability shall be calculated for the following standard load conditions:
      • - a) departure condition: 100% passengers, 98% fuel and fresh water, 10% waste water;
      • - b) while driving 100% passengers, 50% fuel and fresh water, 50% waste water;
      • - c) arriving condition 100% passengers, 10% fuel and fresh water, 98% waste water;
      • - d) empty vessel: no passengers, 10% fuel and fresh water, no waste water.
      • - For all standard load conditions, the ballast tanks are either empty or full in accordance with normal use.
      • - In addition, the proof of point 3 letter d must be provided for the following load condition:
        • - 100% passengers, 50% fuel and fresh water, 50% waste water, all other liquid tanks, including ballast, filled to 50%.
    • 3 - The intact stability of the vessel with the loading cases mentioned in number 3 a to d should be verified with the following criterias:
      • - a) The maximum righting lever hmax shall occur at a heeling angle φmax ≥ (φmom + 3°) and must be at least 0.20 m. If the flooding angle φf < φmax, then the righting lever at the angle of flooding φf shall be at least 0,20 m.
      • - b) The flooding angle φf should not be less than (φmom + 3 °).
      • - c) The area A under the curve of righting levers shall, depending on the location of φf and φmax reach at least the following values​​:
        • - 1. φmax ≤ 15° or φf ≤ 15° - - - - - 0,05 m.rad up to the smallest of φf or φmax
        • - 2. 15° < φmax < 30° - - - - -φmax ≤ φf--------- 0,035+0,001 ⋅ (30- φmax) m.rad up to angle φmax
    • - 7.The applicant must prove by a calculation based on the method of lost buoyancy, that the damaged stability of the vessel is appropriate. All calculations shall be carried out free to trim and sinkage.
    • - 8. The buoyancy after damage shall be verified for the standard load conditions specified in number 2. Here, the flooding (25%, 50% and 75% of the filling of the final state of flooding) and for the final stage of flooding should the calculated proof of sufficient stability shall be determined for the three intermediate states.
    • - 9.Passenger vessels shall comply with the 1-compartment status and the 2-compartment status. The following guidelines must be followed to the damaged condition:
      • - a. For the 1-compartment status the bulkheads can be assumed as not damaged when the distance between two adjacent bulkheads is greater than the length of the leak.

Longitudinal bulkheads located at a distance of less than B / 3 to the outer plating measured at right angles to the center line in the plane of maximum draft, are, may not be included in the invoice. A bulkhead recess in a transverse bulkhead that is longer than 2.50 m, is considered longitudinal bulkhead.

      • - b. For the 2-compartment status each bulkhead shall be within the extent as damaged. This means that the location of bulkheads shall be selected so that the passenger vessel remains buoyant in the longitudinal direction after flooding of two or more adjacent compartments.
      • - c. The lowest point of every non-watertight opening (eg doors, windows, Manholes) must be at least 0.10 m at the final stage of flooding above the damaged waterline. The bulkhead deck shall not be immersed in the final stage of flooding.
      • - d. Permeability is assumed to be 95%. If it is proven by a calculation that the average permeability of any compartment is less than 95%, the calculated value may be used.
        • The following values ​​must not be exceeded:
        • Accommodations 95%
        • Engine and boiler rooms 85%
        • Luggage and store rooms 75%
        • Double bottoms, fuel bunkers, ballast and other tanks, depending on whether they according to their intended for on the plane of maximum draft floating boat must be assumed as full or empty or 0 95%
      • - e. If damage of a smaller dimension than specified above produces more detrimental effects with respect to heeling or loss of metacentric height, such damage in the calculation must be assumed.
    • - 10. In intermediate stages of flooding referred to paragraph 8, the following criteria must be met:
      • - a. the heeling angle φ at the equilibrium position of the intermediate stage must not exceed 15 °.
      • - b. Use the heel in the equilibrium position of the intermediate stage, the positive part of the righting lever GZ shall have a righting have ≥ 0,02 m before the first unprotected opening is immersed or a heeling angle φ of 25 ° is reached.
      • - c. non-watertight openings shall not be immersed before the heel is reached in the equilibrium position of the intermediate stage.
      • - d. For the calculation of the free surface effect in all intermediate stages of flooding shall be based on the gross surface area of ​​the damaged compartments.
    • - 11. During the final stage of flooding, the following criteria must be met, taking into account the heeling moment according to number 4:
      • - a. the heeling angle φE shall not exceed 10 °.
      • - b. Using the equilibrium position must have the positive part of the righting a righting lever GZR ≥ 0.02 m in association with an area A ≥ 0.0025 m ּ rad.
        • - These minimum values ​​for stability shall be met until the immersion of the first unprotected opening or in any case before reaching a heeling angle of 25 °.
      • -c. Not Waterproof openings shall not be immersed before the equilibrium is reached. If such openings are immersed before this point, the spaces that are associated with them must be viewed in the damaged stability calculation as flooded.
    • - 12. Openings which must be closed watertight shall be marked accordingly.
    • - 13. If cross-flood openings to reduce asymmetrical flooding are provided, they shall meet the following requirements:
      • - a. IMO Resolution A.266 (VIII) shall be applied for the calculation of cross-flooding.
      • - b. You must operate automatically.
      • - c. You may not be provided with shut-off valves.
      • - d. The time allowed for compensation shall not exceed 15 minutes.
  • 15.04 Freeboard
  • 15.05 Maximum permitted number of passengers
  • 15.06 Passenger rooms and areas
  • 15.07 Drive system
    • - 1. In addition to the main propulsion system, vessels shall be equipped with a second independent propulsion system, which ensures that the ship capable of moving under its own power, in case of failure of the main drive system.
    • - 2. The second independent propulsion system shall be placed in a separate machine room. In case both engine rooms share a common parting surface, they must be built in accordance with § 11.15 No. 2.
  • 15.08 Safety devices and equipment
    • - 1. Passenger vessels shall have internal communication facilities according to § 7.08. You must also enter the premises and, if there is no direct communication from the wheelhouse, detect the access and collection areas for passengers as § 6.15 No. 8.
    • - 2. All passenger areas shall be reachable via a loudspeaker system. The system shall be designed so that the information transmitted can be clearly distinguished from background noise. If direct communication between the wheelhouse and the passenger area, no speakers need to be there yet.
    • - 3. Passenger vessels shall have appropriate equipment to enable persons to be transferred safely to shallow water, to the bank or to another craft.
    • - 4. In addition to the life-saving appliances in accordance with point 1 and 2 individual life-saving equipment must be present for a total of 100% of the maximum permitted number of passengers according to § 10.5 no. 2, where also solid or semi-automatically inflatable lifejackets are permitted by the in § 10.5 no. 2 mentioned standards.
    • - 5. not available
    • - 6. Man overboard recovery? to be transalted from dutch
    • - 7. Inflateble liferafts
    • - 8. The life-saving appliances shall be stowed on board so that they can be reached easily and safely when required. Concealed storage places shall be clearly marked.
    • - 9. Life-saving equipment must be tested according to the manufacturer's instructions.
    • - 10. The tender shall be equipped with an engine and a searchlight.
    • - 11. A suitable stretcher shall be available.
  • 15.09 life-saving appliances
  • 15.10 electrical installations
  • 15.11 Fire Protection
  • 15.12 Firefighting
  • 15.13 security organization
  • 15.14 Facilities for the collection and disposal of domestic waste water
  • 15.15 Derogations for certain passenger vessels


Meeting notes 14-July-2014[edit]

  • Present
    • Sam Gombra
    • Lex Tichelaar
    • Klaas Koolhof
    • Steven ter Horst
  • Requirements
    • Range – maximum 10 days
    • Area
      • French channels
      • River Rhine
      • German channels
    • Season at French channels is May-October
    • Off season boats will sail to homeport Leeuwarden where they will be overhauled and used for daytrips/parties for groups of max 30 persons
    • Booking agency Cumberly & Kent
    • 5 star ship – but wat means those stars?
    • State of the art technique
    • Roof covered with solar panels
    • Diesel electric propulsion – SRF recently did a boat of LOA 25m / 25 kW which reached 7 km/h min.
    • Potential electric engine supplier is Boumuller (Hybrid Ship Propulsion)
    • Grey water can be drained overboard
    • Black water must be stored
    • Crew
      • Skipper / Captain with partner
      • Cook 1x
      • Hostess 2x
      • 1 double cabin for skipper w partner, 4 single cabins for cook and hostess, spare cabin available when
      • skipper is without partner
    • Cabins – light and belvedere
    • Wheelhouse to have a seating area for guests
    • Fore and aftdeck suitable for guests so they can spread over the boat and find some privacy.
    • Guests are usually elder so keep rollators in mind but boat does not need to be wheelchair accessible
    • Keep boarding and stairs comfortable
    • Rules
      • ‘kanalen kopschroef’ suitable for back up propulsion, requires full ER, minimum speed. Question is if back up is about propulsion or propulsion line, in latter case an electric engine with hollow shaft might work out.
    • Owner has shipping company with advanced ships where everything is operated electrical.
    • SRF – cofferdam with all tanks between ER and cabins, 2 frame distances of 450mm
    • ER as small as possible

Meeting notes 17-March-2015[edit]

  • Boilers
    • under stairs to guest cabins
    • heated by small gensets
  • ER entrance hatch at least 600x600, better 700x700
  • ER large deck hatch required
  • Tanks
    • Fuel in ER
    • Fuel in forepeak (behind VPBhd)
    • FW in foreship under crew accommodation (raised deck)
    • Grey and black water in beds of guest cabins
  • Generators
    • large genset in ER
    • small gensets in forepeak
    • box cooler in ER for genset and heat exchanger see Blokland
    • box cooler in forepeak for gensets
      • on topplate of dieseltank, make topplate extra heavy
    • dry exhaust, last part wet?
  • Webasto fancoils to be determined by Navyk
  • Coolers
    • roughly 20-30kW cooling required at Δ5°C
    • bilgecooling
      • requires thorough insulation at interiorside
      • effect reduces by annual antifouling painting (1 paint job will be around 500mu, paint insulates a lot, layer increases in time)
      • requires large expansion tank
    • box cooler
      • easy installation
      • lower ΔT when ship is not sailing (could be solved by using bilgepump to pump water out of boxcooler)
  • Battery pack
    • propulsion: on side decks aft
    • hotelfunction: on side decks fore
  • ER
    • e-boxes against diesel tank
    • genset (transverse), about 1m from e-boxes, grill over e-motor
    • multisplit?
    • boxcoolers?
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